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Original: 9/20/2006 12:16 PM
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Wednesday, September 20, 2006

 Somewhat might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"...Why not say..."Let us do evil that good may result"?  Their condemnation is deserved. (Romans 3:7-8)

This is an argument that many people continue to use till this day, despite the fact that the Bible addresses it straightforwardly. 

From a purely human standpoint the argument makes a bit of sense.
The reasoning is:
If God's grace and goodness are more clearly seen when I commit a sinful act (such as murder), then isn't it logical to conclude that there's some good in the act of murder that I've done?  God's goodness can definitely be seen when I live a relatively quiet life, but ohhhhh can't you see so much more of God's purity and perfections when, in contrast, you see my own impurities and imperfections?  If that's the case, aren't I actually bringing about some good through my evil acts.
My sin is a necessary evil. That's why God shouldn't condemn me.

God's response:
If you think like this, you're just making it more clear that your condemnation is well-deserved.

Based on the flow of Romans so far, it seems clear to me that the apostle Paul is basically saying that Christians who have been heart-circumcised don't think like this.  They've been given a new set of emotions: a deep hatred for sin and anything that would offend God's honor, a desire for purity/holiness, a love for obedience etc. It's just unthinkable that a born-again believer would seriously present such an absurd argument that would seek to justify his/her sin before the Lord. 

Let's think about this.
Do we try to justify our sin in any way before the Lord? 
Are there a set of new desires that have grabbed hold of our lives as heart-circumcised believers? 
Are they weakened by your competing desires for worldly gain? 
If so, let's seek the Lord in prayer asking Him to renew our passions for Him that our thinking would not become futile and absurd.

Clear thinking is godly thinking. 

pjb


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So uh...
Does anyone read these or should I just post these privately?
Posted 9/20/2006 12:21 PM by madbald - reply

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i read them. i never even heard of that argument for sin before. very interesting, and i can definitly see the reasoning in that argument. please post. um just a question. remember that sermon you have gave about builidng up each other? or maybe it wasn't about that. but there was one part of the sermon where you talked about wordly vs godly encouragement or somethign like that. when we encourage based on wordly standards, we say You can do it, or I believe in you. and you said that we shouldn't say that, so my question is, what alternative to you propose to encourage others in a more godly way? would you say someting like, You can do it through Christ? honestly, that sounds really awkard, and maybe thats because i'm so confromed to the world's way of encouraging people. but if saying something like "you can do it through Christ" is a more God glorifying alternative, how would you encourage non-christian friends? because encouraging christian friends with that and doing the same to non-christian friends can have totally differnt effects.
Posted 9/20/2006 7:11 PM by anges - reply

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Ms. Nutella,
I'll post something later on that subject.
Posted 9/20/2006 9:14 PM by madbald - reply

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holy macarol. why is my picture up there? i look retarded.. i mean i always do but.. this is even more retarded.. sigh

hmm wait. Also no one does xanga anymore!!! what should we do.. hmmm we'll think about it!

yeah ive never heard that argument of sin before either. i don't really get it either.

Posted 9/21/2006 5:40 PM by OHmeh_itz_Just - reply

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um so yeah. yesterday i raised my hand, but you didn't call on me. its ok. i forgive you. jk. anywayssss my quesiton was this: you said all of us are born sinners=inherently bad. i understand this. so this leads me to a very common question. do babies go to hell? based on scripture, i'm going to assume yes. what i really want to know is how do you explain this to a non-believer? i remember my friends were over one time, and somehow we got on the topic of religion. they were saying things most non-belivers would say. like, "how is it fair that God only chooses a few people (predestination) and no matter what other people do, they can't get into heaven?" it's hard to explain God's grace and holiness to people who don't believe in Him. so when they asked if babies went to hell, i said i think they do. and i had no way to justify it in their eyes, if thats even possible. so i was just wondering about this.
Posted 9/23/2006 11:46 PM by anges - reply

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yea justin is right about many not using xanga anymore, but anyways i din't know this was still going on so thats cool that u picked it up pator paul. one random question i have though is how important is doctrine to the christian faith? (yea i know it has little to do with this verse, but i guess u can answer it some other time) and if it is vital, then why doesn't the church try to teach it more often? (so i guess im also wondering of the purpose of the church) don't we have to have some understanding of the doctrines (sin,salvation, etc.), before we can help others and understand what we have to do?
Posted 9/24/2006 10:27 PM by JiMbOjEt - reply


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